Valentin Fiere TRUMPOUR

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Valentin Fiero Trumpour
• Reference Number: 480.8
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• _UID: B107F0FB255041A78586110F7E5A98B7525D
• Baptism sponsors: 21 Oct 1762, Katsbaan, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America; were Valentyn Viere and wife Christina Schram

Notes:

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baptism c. 1762

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Married Neeltje Elich? c. 1782

Baptism sponsors:
Jones' reference was the Katsbaan Reformed Churchbook.

Family/Spouse: Neeltje ELICH. Neeltje and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Ann SCHOONMAKER. Ann and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Baptism sponsors: were Johannes Emerich and his wife Margretha
• Land: Katsbaan, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America; in the neighbourhood of his original farm
• Name: Johannes Tromphouder
• Occupation: Katsbaan, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America; farmer on his father's farm near the Katsbaan Church
• Reference Number: 960.0
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• _UID: 4D5B7CC83FD54105AD053E57405F6C0AA298
• Family: 1719, Kingston, Ulster County, Province of New York, British Colonies in America
• Birth: 5 Mar 1719, West Camp, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America
• Born: 5 Mar 1719, West Camp, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America
• Birth: 5 Apr 1719, New York, British Colonies in America
• Land: 1761, Katsbaan, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America
• Will: 3 Mar 1783, Ulster County, New York, United States; prepared
• Burial: 1785, Saugerties Township, Ulster County, New York, United States; in Old Trumpbour Cemetery, Asbury
• Probate: 28 Jun 1785, New York, United States

Notes:

Baptism sponsors:
Henry Z. Jones Jr. recorded these sponsors from the West Camp Lutheran Churchbooks.

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baptism c. 1719

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Who kept marriage records in 1740s? What church records are there for New York? Get a New York research book from AFHS Library.

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burial in 1785

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"Records of Guardianship 1691-1815" by Holland Society of New York; F127.N6 Toronto Branch, UELA library; ref: Fidelity, vol 19, no. 6, May 1997

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See file folder "Trumpour - Church, Kingston, Ulster Co" in Trumpour files.

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See list of publications by Arthur Kelly in file "USA: New York - Palatines". Also were on CD. Are they now on Ancestry?

Family:
He was the 8th of 9 children.

Land:
"Beginning in 1761, Johannes was involved in a legal fight with the city of Kingston, New York. Johannes and another man petitioned the governor for a grant of 2000 acres of land, as recompense for running the line between Albany and Ulster Counties. A few months later, the Corporation of Kingston, for some reason, filed a complaint against the grant. The two men answered it, and in return, the Corporation of Kingston filed a new petition. However, it does appear that they got the grant, for Johannes is later reported as owning lands in the area for which he was petitioning."

Will:
Jones said that the will was "Fernow Wills #1752.

Johannes married Christina FIERO in 1739 in New York, British Colonies in America. Christina (daughter of Valentin F?HRER and Catharina SCHRAMM) was born on 23 Dec 1721 in New York, British Colonies in America; was christened on 25 Dec 1721 in Kingston, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America; died in 1791 in Saugerties Township, Ulster County, New York, United States; was buried in 1791 in Saugerties Township, Ulster County, New York, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Christina Fiere
• Name: Christina Fuhrer
• Name: Christina Vier
• Reference Number: 961.0
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• _UID: 628A5794514C44BE8661CF092534E71489D2
• Baptism: 25 Dec 1721, Kingston, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America
• Burial: 1785, Saugerties Township, Ulster County, New York, United States; in Old Trumpbour Cemetery, Asbury

Notes:

The will of Vallentyn Fierer of the Catsbaen, Albany County dated July 14, 1764 and probated February 10, 1770 mentioned "daughter Christina - wife of Johannes Trumpbour".

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baptised c. 1720

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burial c. 1790

Baptism:
The sponsors were Hans Nieukerk and Christina Muller.

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Marriage:
"Several of the missing marriages were probably entered in some of the long-missing Reformed churchbooks started by Pastor Joh: Friederich Hager."

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Johann Niclaus Trombauer
• Name: Niclas Trombauer
• Name: Niclaus Drumbaur
• Name: Nicolas Dromboer
• Name: Nicolas Trompoor
• Name: Nicolas Trumbauer
• Name: Nicolaus Trombauer
• Reference Number: 1920.0
• Religion: Roman Catholic
• Residence: Switzerland
• Residence: Katsbaan, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America
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• _UID: E7345A56463C4EDD89C0216BD968F313946D
• Birth: Abt 1676, Germany
• Birth: Abt 1678, Germany
• Emigration: Abt 1709, London, England; from Germany
• Immigration: 1709, London, England
• Religion: Abt 1709, London, England; a Lutheran
• Occupation: Bef Apr 1709, Germany; as a vinedresser and husbandman
• Emigration: Abt Apr 1709, Germany; to England
• Place: 3 May 1709, London, England
• Immigration: 3 May 1709, London, England; from the Rhenish Palatinate of Germany
• Residence: 1710, West Camp, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America; iup the Hudson River
• Emigration: Jan 1710, London, England; to the American Colonies
• Immigration: Aug 1710, United States
• Residence: 4 Aug 1710, New York, United States
• Residence: 4 Oct 1710, New York, United States
• Residence: Abt 1711, Kingston, Ulster County, Province of New York, British Colonies in America
• Residence: 24 Jun 1711, New York, United States
• Residence: 1710-1712, New York, British Colonies in America
• Residence: 1710-1712, New York, United States
• Residence: 24 Jun 1712, New York, United States
• Naturalization: 8 Sep 1715, Kingston, Ulster County, New York, United States
• Naturalization: 8 Sep 1715, New York, United States
• Residence: Abt 1716, New York, United States; in Beckmansland
• Residence: 1717, West Camp, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America; at Beckmansland
• Residence: 1716-1717, New York, United States; Beekman's Land
• Residence: 1728, Kingston, Ulster County, New York, United States
• Residence: 1728, Kingston, Ulster County, Province of New York, British Colonies in America
• Residence: Abt 1728, Kingston, Ulster County, Province of New York, British Colonies in America
• Residence: Abt 1735, Katsbaan, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America
• Land: 3 Mar 1735, Kingston, Ulster County, Province of New York, British Colonies in America; a farm near the Katsbaan Church

Notes:

Residence:
Mark Trumpour received a letter from Mr. Charles Price of Pennsylvania about the origin of the Trumpour's. "Mr. Charles Price had received a letter from one Dr. Fritz Braun in Germany concening my letter. Apparently, this man's wife is a Trumbauer, and Mr. Price has done extensive digging around to find out where the family came from To date he had found no family on record in Germany with the name Trumbauer, so he believes that Switzerland many have been their homeland."

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burial c. 1740

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Immigration. Book "Protestant Exiles from France in the Reign of Louis XIV". By D. Agnew. 2nd edition; London: 1871-1874. Copy at U of T Robarts Library.

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book "Protestant Exiles for France in the Reign of Louis XIV" by D. Agnew; 2nd edition; London: 1871-1874. Copy at U of T Robarts Library.

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I think that Lois has "Palatine Families of Ireland" Second Edition. Henry Z. Jones Jr. Rockport, Maine, USA: Pciton Press, 1990. hardcover, 166 pages.

Birth:
Since he was about 33 years old on May 3, 1709, his birth year was calculated as circa 1676


Birth:
He was born in the Rhenish Palatinate.

Emigration:
The "London Lists" record Niclas Trombauer aged 33, his wife, a son aged 6, a daughter age 3, and a daughter 3/4 of a year old. He was a Roman Catholic, a husbandman and vinedresser. He was in the first seriese of arrivals in England.

Immigration:
He was listed in the first arrivals at London as "Niclas Trombauer, age 33, with his wife, a son aged 6, daughters aged 3 and 3/4, Catholic, husbandman and vinedresser".

Religion:
He was listed as a Roman Catholic. However, the British stipulated that all become Protestants.

Emigration:
About "13,000 Palatines moved down the Rhine to Rotterdam". From there, they "were embarked for London in six groups.

Place:
An entry on the "Board of Trade List" which recorded the First Party of Palatines in London, on May 3, 1709 included "Trumbauer, Niclas - wife, one son, two daughters".

Immigration:
"Niclaus Trombauer, with his wife, son, and two daughters, was in the first group of 852, arriving in London on May 3, 1709".

Residence:
This village was set up for the Palatines, so that they could make tar for the navy. However, this scheme did not work out. There was hardship and discontent among the Palatines.

Emigration:
About 3,000 out of the 13,000 left "in crowded ships with inadequate food".

Immigration:
The last ship arrived in New York in August 1710. Some Palatines went to North Carolina and some went to Pennsylvania. Many went to New York.

Residence:
The "Hunter List" of this date recorded 2 persons over 10 years of age and 3 persons under 10 years of age for the family of Niclaus Drumbaur.

Residence:
The "Hunter List" of this date recorded 1 person over 10 years of age and 3 persons under 10 years of age for the family of Niclaus Drumbaur.

Residence:
The "Hunter List" of this date recorded 3 persons over 10 years of age and 2 persons under 10 years of age for the family of Niclaus Drumbaur.

Residence:
He was listed on the Hunter Subsistence Rolls.

Residence:
There was no record of Johann Niclaus Trumpour on these lists.

Residence:
The "Hunter List" of this date recorded 3 persons over 10 years of age and 3 persons under 10 years of age for the family of Niclaus Drumbaur.

Naturalization:
[Might be September 9, 1715]

Naturalization:
According to the Kingston Naturalization records of September 8 and 9th, Nicolas Trompoor was naturalized.

Residence:
The "Simmendinger Register" recorded Nicolas Trumbohr and Magdalena with their children.

Residence:
He was listed as "Nicolaus Trumbohr and Magdelena with four children".

Residence:
The Simmendinger List of 1717 recorded "Trumbohr, Nicolaus, wife Magdalena and four children".

Residence:
"Nicolas Dromboer" was a freeholder.

Residence:
The "Ulster County Freeholders" list records Nicolas Dromboer as a freeholder of Kingston.

Residence:
He appeared in the Kingston Trustees Records, Book 2 pages 72-74.

Residence:
They lived on "a piece of land on the west side of the old King's Road from Kingston to Albany, near the Reformed Church".

Johann married Magdalena STIER. Magdalena was born in Germany; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Reference Number: 1921.0
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• _UID: DBB67A76A64A43DB9E82446271B095BFCA08
• Immigration: 1709, London, England

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burial c. 1750

Immigration:
She was listed in the first arrivals at London as "wife of Niclas Trombauer, Niclas Trombauer, age 33, with a son aged 6, and daughters aged 3 and 3/4. He was Catholic, husbandman and vinedresser".

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Valedien F?hrer
• Name: Valentin Fiere
• Name: Vallentyn Fierer
• Reference Number: 1922.0
• Residence: Katsbaan, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America
• _UID: FF69942B1BD04BB58D326E797DB3DA13D568
• Naturalization: 9 Sep 1715, Kingston, Ulster County, Province of New York, British Colonies in America
• Will: 14 Jul 1764, Katsbaan, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America
• Probate: 10 Feb 1770, New York, British Colonies in America

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Residence:
His farm was just north of Katsbaan where the Trumpour's lived.

Naturalization:
He was naturalized with his father, "Johannis F?hrer".

Valentin married Catharina SCHRAMM before 25 Dec 1721 in New York, United States. Catharina (daughter of Henrich SCHRAMM and An Els KIFFEL) was born on 23 May 1700 in Wilnsdorf, Siegen-Wittgenstein, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany; was christened on 23 May 1700 in Wilnsdorf, Siegen-Wittgenstein, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Catharina Schram
• Reference Number: 1923.0
• _UID: 2CEABFEEB6BD47D9BF456CD275DAD8D69571
• Baptism: 23 May 1700, Wilnsdorf, Siegen-Wittgenstein, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany

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Baptism:
The sponsors were Catharina, wife of Johann Ebert Siebel, and Johann Henrich Kiffel.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Johannes Fferher
• Name: Johannis Ferber
• Name: John Fuhrer
• Name: Valentine Fiere
• Reference Number: 3844.0
• _UID: 786D364EC548404CA83864C6F722464AB563
• Birth: Abt 1669, Germany
• List: 1709, London, England
• Naturalization: 9 Sep 1715, Kingston, Ulster County, Province of New York, British Colonies in America
• Tax Assessment: 1718, Kingston, Ulster County, Province of New York, British Colonies in America
• Tax Assessment: 1720, Kingston, Ulster County, Province of New York, British Colonies in America

Notes:

Birth:
Since he was age 40 in the 1709 census, his birth year was calculated as circa 1669.

List:
He was listed as "John Fuhrer aged 40, with his wife and sons aged 13 and 6, daughters aged 8 and 1, Catholic, husbandman and vinedresser" in the London Census of Palatines.

Tax Assessment:
"Johannes Fferher" was taxed in 1718/19.

Tax Assessment:
"Johannis Ferber" was taxed in 1720/1.

Johannes married F?HRER. was born in Germany; died before 1713 in New York, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Reference Number: 3845.0
• _UID: BAB643CF61114561BD7B51056C181E11DB62

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: H?rig Sramm
• Reference Number: 3846.0
• _UID: 0DDEE268E1884081A5B8EC0DDE1F78E61087
• Birth: Abt 1660, Germany
• Baptism: 18 Dec 1667, Wilnsdorf, Siegen-Wittgenstein, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
• Family: 2 Feb 1694, Wilnsdorf, Siegen-Wittgenstein, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
• List: 1711, West Camp, Ulster County, New York, British Colonies in America
• Naturalization: 9 Sep 1715, Kingston, Ulster County, Province of New York, British Colonies in America; along with Fredrich Schram and Johanis Schram
• Family: Abt 1716, New York, United States
• List: 1716-1717, New York, United States; in Beekman's Land

Notes:

Baptism:
The sponsors were "his brother Herrich, still single", and Catharina - the single daughter of Johannes Gross at Wilstorf. [The baptism does not name the "son" who was baptised but the child was almost always named after the baptismal sponsor.] [Herrich was a variation in German for "Henrich".]

Family:
There was an "unbaptised child" buried on February 2, 1694.

List:
He was listed as "Jno. Henrich Schram: 1 man, 2 lads 9-15, 1 woman, 2 maids 9-15" in the 1710-1711 Winter Census of West Camp.

Family:
Henrich was married to Anna Margaretha (--) by 1716. His first wife, An Els Kiffel, likely died before 1716.

List:
"Heinrich Schram and Anna Margaretha" were listed with five children.

Henrich married An Els KIFFEL on 2 Jul 1691 in Wilnsdorf, Siegen-Wittgenstein, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany. An (daughter of Henrich KIFFEL) was born in Germany; died before 1716 in New York, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Elsbeth Kiffel
• Reference Number: 3847.0
• _UID: 699FA0D21DF247A3B3522BDD2D3C528EC951

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Marriage:
"H?rig Sramm, son of the late D?lman Schramm of Willgerstorff, married to An Els, daughter of H?rig Kiffel of Wilnsdorf".